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		<title>By: John W. Zimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W. Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zara, Of course you are right. If an unarmed man fights an armed man and the armed man is worth his salt. It will probably go bad for the unarmed man.

I&#039;d like to point out two things:

1. People with weapons tend to depend on them (use the weapon) to the determent of their whole fight game. I mean he will not kick or punch with when an opening presents itself but rather try and use the blade.

2. Surprise, distance and fakes have to go along with any kicking because as you state, it would be relatively easy to change up the attack to slash the legs - given the opportunity.

Having said that and perhaps to my determent, I&#039;ve never been impressed when one picks up a weapon but in my mind I am trying to size up the situation and figure out how to come out on top.

At times I&#039;ve decided the best defense is a good talking game. The only important thing here to realize is if by feints, counter attacks, picking up a make-do weapon... there are ways that a motivated person can defend a weapons attack.

As some people say, perhaps you will get cut. That is not my plan.

I also agree that it is best to not face a skilled opponent with a weapon. 

In self-defense this is not really a choice and I choose not to negate my abilities by acquiescing to defeat in my mind.

So here is what I believe, just as I did when I got into the ring with anyone in my youth. I believe I can and will win in a fight with anyone, with or without a weapon, anytime, anywhere (sick, drunk, or taken by surprise)!

As a fighter – how can one think anything else and have a chance at victory?

I always seek to keep my mind, body, and spirit unified so as to give me the best chance to achieve any goal.

I only hope that my belief and training helps this happen for me if I have to face a trained knife fighter as an old man! :)

Thanks for you comment Zara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zara, Of course you are right. If an unarmed man fights an armed man and the armed man is worth his salt. It will probably go bad for the unarmed man.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to point out two things:</p>
<p>1. People with weapons tend to depend on them (use the weapon) to the determent of their whole fight game. I mean he will not kick or punch with when an opening presents itself but rather try and use the blade.</p>
<p>2. Surprise, distance and fakes have to go along with any kicking because as you state, it would be relatively easy to change up the attack to slash the legs &#8211; given the opportunity.</p>
<p>Having said that and perhaps to my determent, I&#8217;ve never been impressed when one picks up a weapon but in my mind I am trying to size up the situation and figure out how to come out on top.</p>
<p>At times I&#8217;ve decided the best defense is a good talking game. The only important thing here to realize is if by feints, counter attacks, picking up a make-do weapon&#8230; there are ways that a motivated person can defend a weapons attack.</p>
<p>As some people say, perhaps you will get cut. That is not my plan.</p>
<p>I also agree that it is best to not face a skilled opponent with a weapon. </p>
<p>In self-defense this is not really a choice and I choose not to negate my abilities by acquiescing to defeat in my mind.</p>
<p>So here is what I believe, just as I did when I got into the ring with anyone in my youth. I believe I can and will win in a fight with anyone, with or without a weapon, anytime, anywhere (sick, drunk, or taken by surprise)!</p>
<p>As a fighter – how can one think anything else and have a chance at victory?</p>
<p>I always seek to keep my mind, body, and spirit unified so as to give me the best chance to achieve any goal.</p>
<p>I only hope that my belief and training helps this happen for me if I have to face a trained knife fighter as an old man! <img src='http://myselfdefenseblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for you comment Zara</p>
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		<title>By: Zara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knife-defense is a subject that is fairly heavily emphasized in our dojo, not because it’s something that happens very often but because of the inherently deadly nature of such an encounter. Our techniques and tactics derive mostly from kali-escrima, krav-maga (360° defense) and ju-jutsu of course: what we’re taught is to always go towards the knife (at an angle), not away from it. Of course this doesn’t mean you should go and attack or put pressure on him but if he attacks you’ll have to move in to protect yourself and do damage. If you keep backing away from him or try to launch attacks from afar sooner or later he’ll get you or you will run out of space. It’s the same unarmed: if you get very close to him he won’t be able to punch you and since you decided to move there you’ll have the initiative to launch short-range attacks (locks, knees, elbows), preferably from his dead-side. Another aspect we emphasize is simultaneous defense and counterattack: for instance when you block outside (against a diagonal stab or slash to your neck) at the same time you’ll deliver a finger-thrust to his eyes with your other hand (most likely followed up by a kick to the knee), this will break his concentration allowing you to control the knife hand and disarm or take him down. If he stabs you must move of the line but always towards him (again with a simultaneous parry and fingerjab), if you don’t he’ll just try again or his attack will mutate from a stab to a slash (to your hand, throat or stomach). I guess it’s possible to defend against a knife using kicks (the same is taught in krav-maga as a long-range defense) but in kali it’s frowned upon (at least for middle to high kicks) since he can block with his weapon and cut you, leaving your defense seriously compromised. If it’s an inexperienced opponent it could work out pretty well (they have no knowledge on how to properly handle a knife, most likely they’ll be angry or drunk and as a consequence they’ll use big, wide motions and all-or-nothing committed attacks) but if he’s even semi-trained he’ll just back off or evade slightly and make a simple downward cut. 

Then again: if it’s an experienced knife-fighter there is very little you can do beside trying to get an equalizer-weapon, throw stuff at him (followed by a quick sprint in the opposite direction) or feint high and kick low (followed by the same procedure as before). I know a little about knife-fighting (I have some training in kali) and in all fairness: if he’s good and you’re unarmed you’ll almost certainly end up dead. A knife is an incredibly fast weapon, it doesn’t need space to be effective (just draw the blade over flesh and blood will flow) and it can change angles in mid-flight without losing speed or balance. Because of these characteristics a trained knife-man will completely cut you up in less than 3 seconds, no matter how trained or tough you may be. The only way you could actually defend against such a guy is to be in possession of your own blade (and be trained of course) or have a gun handy. Even then it’s still a matter of luck, skill and distance: most likely you won’t even see or notice the knife until it’s too late. This is why distance is so important, as well as zanshin or awareness. If you’re not mindful of your surroundings you’ll never see danger coming and you won’t be able to maintain proper distance, this is usually the beginning of a whole lot of grief. 

As to my story: even though I had to swallow a whole lot of nonsense from certain people afterward (you started the argument because you shoved him, you shouldn’t have punched him, blablabla) I’m fully convinced I did the right thing and I don’t give a damn about the opinion of somebody who’s never been in a similar situation. One person even had the guts to accuse me of somehow provoking him into drawing the blade (this is truly absurd, if this was a man I would have smacked him), this completely negates both the concept of self-defense and common-sense: by the same token one might very well say that murder-victims are the cause of their own death (they provoked the murderer) or raped women were responsible for the act and not the rapist (they provoked him by being beautiful, sexy, dressing well). The fact that he was drunk (somehow an excuse to some people) doesn’t change anything: in wine there is truth as the latin proverb goes (you do not tell people you want to see them dead unless you actually mean it, either way I do not want to find out) and I’m almost certain that if he had been able to summon the courage to attack and I had given him the opportunity to do so (by letting him close the distance) I would have been severely injured (it doesn’t take skill to do damage with a weapon) or ended up dead. Better not to take chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knife-defense is a subject that is fairly heavily emphasized in our dojo, not because it’s something that happens very often but because of the inherently deadly nature of such an encounter. Our techniques and tactics derive mostly from kali-escrima, krav-maga (360° defense) and ju-jutsu of course: what we’re taught is to always go towards the knife (at an angle), not away from it. Of course this doesn’t mean you should go and attack or put pressure on him but if he attacks you’ll have to move in to protect yourself and do damage. If you keep backing away from him or try to launch attacks from afar sooner or later he’ll get you or you will run out of space. It’s the same unarmed: if you get very close to him he won’t be able to punch you and since you decided to move there you’ll have the initiative to launch short-range attacks (locks, knees, elbows), preferably from his dead-side. Another aspect we emphasize is simultaneous defense and counterattack: for instance when you block outside (against a diagonal stab or slash to your neck) at the same time you’ll deliver a finger-thrust to his eyes with your other hand (most likely followed up by a kick to the knee), this will break his concentration allowing you to control the knife hand and disarm or take him down. If he stabs you must move of the line but always towards him (again with a simultaneous parry and fingerjab), if you don’t he’ll just try again or his attack will mutate from a stab to a slash (to your hand, throat or stomach). I guess it’s possible to defend against a knife using kicks (the same is taught in krav-maga as a long-range defense) but in kali it’s frowned upon (at least for middle to high kicks) since he can block with his weapon and cut you, leaving your defense seriously compromised. If it’s an inexperienced opponent it could work out pretty well (they have no knowledge on how to properly handle a knife, most likely they’ll be angry or drunk and as a consequence they’ll use big, wide motions and all-or-nothing committed attacks) but if he’s even semi-trained he’ll just back off or evade slightly and make a simple downward cut. </p>
<p>Then again: if it’s an experienced knife-fighter there is very little you can do beside trying to get an equalizer-weapon, throw stuff at him (followed by a quick sprint in the opposite direction) or feint high and kick low (followed by the same procedure as before). I know a little about knife-fighting (I have some training in kali) and in all fairness: if he’s good and you’re unarmed you’ll almost certainly end up dead. A knife is an incredibly fast weapon, it doesn’t need space to be effective (just draw the blade over flesh and blood will flow) and it can change angles in mid-flight without losing speed or balance. Because of these characteristics a trained knife-man will completely cut you up in less than 3 seconds, no matter how trained or tough you may be. The only way you could actually defend against such a guy is to be in possession of your own blade (and be trained of course) or have a gun handy. Even then it’s still a matter of luck, skill and distance: most likely you won’t even see or notice the knife until it’s too late. This is why distance is so important, as well as zanshin or awareness. If you’re not mindful of your surroundings you’ll never see danger coming and you won’t be able to maintain proper distance, this is usually the beginning of a whole lot of grief. </p>
<p>As to my story: even though I had to swallow a whole lot of nonsense from certain people afterward (you started the argument because you shoved him, you shouldn’t have punched him, blablabla) I’m fully convinced I did the right thing and I don’t give a damn about the opinion of somebody who’s never been in a similar situation. One person even had the guts to accuse me of somehow provoking him into drawing the blade (this is truly absurd, if this was a man I would have smacked him), this completely negates both the concept of self-defense and common-sense: by the same token one might very well say that murder-victims are the cause of their own death (they provoked the murderer) or raped women were responsible for the act and not the rapist (they provoked him by being beautiful, sexy, dressing well). The fact that he was drunk (somehow an excuse to some people) doesn’t change anything: in wine there is truth as the latin proverb goes (you do not tell people you want to see them dead unless you actually mean it, either way I do not want to find out) and I’m almost certain that if he had been able to summon the courage to attack and I had given him the opportunity to do so (by letting him close the distance) I would have been severely injured (it doesn’t take skill to do damage with a weapon) or ended up dead. Better not to take chances.</p>
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		<title>By: John W. Zimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W. Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zara,

I may visit but I&#039;ll never live in a place that takes a dim view on self-defense. While the laws differ in the States, all respect one&#039;s right to defend himself. 

It is true that you should always try to avoid a fight and it is true even here that it may help the cops make the right call if they know you did everything possible to avoid a fight but in the final analysis - if someone attacks you - you can use even deadly force if you can reasonably show that you were in fear of your life. 

What you cannot do is fight beyond the point you are out of danger.

Luckily the old days of registering a karate black belts hand as deadly weapons are long gone. That is what I heard as a kid but that has not been my experience as an adult.

Thanks for sharing the fight story. It is always a tough call when to explode and the main reason I don&#039;t hang out in bars anymore. :)

Let me see - I&#039;ve only been in two near fights in 29 years compared to countless fights in the two years I worked and hung out in bars. 

You are right about the distance. It always is always kind of hard for me to understand teaching a knife technique where the attacker tries to stab you and somehow you react correctly, in time, to parry the stab and take control the weapon - all while not getting attacked by any other punch or kick.

I must say that the fact that someone with a weapon does not normally (unless martial arts trained) use kicks and punches while brandishing a weapon - a fact that makes it a little easier to fight someone with a weapon, you still cannot, as you pointed out, depend on your reaction speed inside the distance to keep you safe!

My choice is to either make the guy swallow my rear kick - thrown hard to knock down anything in its path or allow the weapon attack to happen as I am stepping back out of range - and when it is over extended (in between fakes) counter when he cannot attack for a moment.

Still favoring knees and hard rear kicks.

You acted appropriately once you were in the beef. Only you can decide if there was anyway to diffuse the situation.

Thanks again for sharing your experience Zara!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zara,</p>
<p>I may visit but I&#8217;ll never live in a place that takes a dim view on self-defense. While the laws differ in the States, all respect one&#8217;s right to defend himself. </p>
<p>It is true that you should always try to avoid a fight and it is true even here that it may help the cops make the right call if they know you did everything possible to avoid a fight but in the final analysis &#8211; if someone attacks you &#8211; you can use even deadly force if you can reasonably show that you were in fear of your life. </p>
<p>What you cannot do is fight beyond the point you are out of danger.</p>
<p>Luckily the old days of registering a karate black belts hand as deadly weapons are long gone. That is what I heard as a kid but that has not been my experience as an adult.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing the fight story. It is always a tough call when to explode and the main reason I don&#8217;t hang out in bars anymore. <img src='http://myselfdefenseblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Let me see &#8211; I&#8217;ve only been in two near fights in 29 years compared to countless fights in the two years I worked and hung out in bars. </p>
<p>You are right about the distance. It always is always kind of hard for me to understand teaching a knife technique where the attacker tries to stab you and somehow you react correctly, in time, to parry the stab and take control the weapon &#8211; all while not getting attacked by any other punch or kick.</p>
<p>I must say that the fact that someone with a weapon does not normally (unless martial arts trained) use kicks and punches while brandishing a weapon &#8211; a fact that makes it a little easier to fight someone with a weapon, you still cannot, as you pointed out, depend on your reaction speed inside the distance to keep you safe!</p>
<p>My choice is to either make the guy swallow my rear kick &#8211; thrown hard to knock down anything in its path or allow the weapon attack to happen as I am stepping back out of range &#8211; and when it is over extended (in between fakes) counter when he cannot attack for a moment.</p>
<p>Still favoring knees and hard rear kicks.</p>
<p>You acted appropriately once you were in the beef. Only you can decide if there was anyway to diffuse the situation.</p>
<p>Thanks again for sharing your experience Zara!</p>
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		<title>By: Zara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems I forgot to mention how the story ends: at that point someone convinced him to put down the knife and that was that, no harm done. Luckily he didn&#039;t attack (I&#039;m assuming in part because I wasn&#039;t an easy victim and he knew I had martial-arts training, at least some part of his brain was still working) and it&#039;s impossible to see what could have happened but I do think I would have had a pretty high chance of coming out on top. Usually you&#039;ll gain nothing by being fearful and submissive, chances are he&#039;ll see this is weakness (people who threaten or attack others with weapons are cowards and they prey only on the weak) and press the attack anyway. I did experience fear though but odly this was only after the incident. It did give me a whole new perspective on the MA though (if I wasn&#039;t trained I probably would have cowered and either gotten punched in the nose or ended up with a knife between my ribs) and spurred me to take my training to a new level. Hell, this is why I try to prepare our students to the best of my ability: if they ever get into a similar situation (not likely but still) I want them to be prepared and be a fearless warrior, defeating the enemy or at least go down fighting. Training in the MA is not a game, at least not to me and certainly not after that night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems I forgot to mention how the story ends: at that point someone convinced him to put down the knife and that was that, no harm done. Luckily he didn&#8217;t attack (I&#8217;m assuming in part because I wasn&#8217;t an easy victim and he knew I had martial-arts training, at least some part of his brain was still working) and it&#8217;s impossible to see what could have happened but I do think I would have had a pretty high chance of coming out on top. Usually you&#8217;ll gain nothing by being fearful and submissive, chances are he&#8217;ll see this is weakness (people who threaten or attack others with weapons are cowards and they prey only on the weak) and press the attack anyway. I did experience fear though but odly this was only after the incident. It did give me a whole new perspective on the MA though (if I wasn&#8217;t trained I probably would have cowered and either gotten punched in the nose or ended up with a knife between my ribs) and spurred me to take my training to a new level. Hell, this is why I try to prepare our students to the best of my ability: if they ever get into a similar situation (not likely but still) I want them to be prepared and be a fearless warrior, defeating the enemy or at least go down fighting. Training in the MA is not a game, at least not to me and certainly not after that night.</p>
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