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16 May 2010

12 Responses to “Martial Arts Belt Rankings; Are They Worth Anything Today?”

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  2. Dr. J Says:

    Hi John!

    I came up in the martial arts when there were much fewer belt colors than today. I have to say that the first, green, and the last, black meant the most to me. I never striped my black belt, always feeling that black was enough. Jim used to say that time in grade was what really mattered. A five year white belt could destroy a 2 year black belt. One last thing, actually having a belt can be a useful weapon in a fight, color not so important unless your opponent worries about such things :-)
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  3. John W. Zimmer Says:

    Hey Dr J!

    I used to have a western belt with one of those heavy belt buckles… man that would hurt if anyone had to poor judgement to try and stick me (I’d just let my belt do the talking). :)

  4. pat Says:

    I have to agree with you as far as how much power a child has as compared to an adult. That belt they wear or put on a karate belt display to show it off, is only as good as the person that earned it. Take for example, the new movie with Jaden Smith. That boy is probably very talented but needs some mass to do any real damage.
    He could do something in a few years but right now, he is a little boy. I have watched the trailers and every time I see it, I wonder how such a little guy is going to pull off, such a big role as the karate kid.
    .-= pat ´s last blog ..Karate Belt Display updated Sun Mar 7 2010 6:29 pm CST =-.

  5. Andrew Says:

    This is funny, this post is the third post in the past two weeks that have talked about belts, rankings, and what they mean in today’s world.

    I myself wrote an article pertaining to that.

    One question. I understand that your point is having the ability to fight is the most important of any body doing ANY martial art, what are your views on ‘winning’. I usually associate fighting with winning.

    I have no problem with getting myself into a fight if need be, mind you. But just asking.
    .-= Andrew´s last blog ..The End is only the Beginning =-.

  6. John W. Zimmer Says:

    Hi Pat,

    I agree that a kid, however talented, could not back it up against an adult. It makes for good movies though. :)

    Hi Andrew,

    I took at look at your blog and added it to my “interesting blogs” section.

    As far as fighting and winning – winning is always the goal and if one know how to fight properly – winning is achievable. However I have seen plenty of people promoted in my years in karate that have not been comfortable fighting but promoted because they have learn all of the material.

    I for one might favor a fighting promotion rather than an academic one but my brown and black belt fighters had to be good fighters (to get the rank from me).

    I guess I am assuming if one is a good fighter, he or she will probably win an altercation.

  7. Tim Says:

    Interesting. I just wrote an article on McDojo’s today. check it out here: http://stoneybrookkarate.blogspot.com

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  9. Steve Says:

    I have held a 1st dan for over ten years and I am happy to leave it that way as I see some political josling within the senior belts and want nothing to do with it. The fighting element is important in some martial arts if you are to wear a black belt, however self defence is a different story again. You do not have to have full contact fights to gain self defence skills. The many years of training is designed for maybe the one or two times in your life you may need to escape an attacker or defend yourself and physical reaction should become second nature. The mind I believe is more important in these situations as this is usually a huge factor in any confrontation but in a self defence role it is vital you understand you are fighting to defend your life nothing less. Sure you can do better if you spend hours having full contact sports fighting but martial arts in the general sense is for protection of normal everyday people who are house wives etc and may not like violence but have the desire to protect themselves.

  10. John W. Zimmer Says:

    Hi Tim,

    I agree that a black belt ought to be able to hold his own in a fight. The Kenpo style I’ve learned and applied is semi-traditional. We have all of the forms, self-defense techniques, and fighting of traditional and competed at tournaments, kick boxing and nowadays even incorporate jiu jitsu. I think today the McDojo question is not as important because from my point of view – the only thing that matters is fighting – not lineage or tradition. I’m glad the traditional has survived but I like non-traditional martial arts just as much. Thanks for commenting.

    Hi Steve,

    Totally agreed that self defense and sport karate is different and you bring up a great point about the likely use of karate (hopefully) as most people will be exposed to fighting/self defense.

    I think from my point of view – so long as the karateka views his/her training as applicable to fighting or self defense and not a type of ballet… Even if untested – I think we are of a like mind. Thanks for your comment Steve.

  11. Modern Karate Arts Says:

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  12. Wingchun London Says:

    Will, there some disciplines doesn’t requires belting. BUT, it is a tradition of other disciplines. We should respect it. and respect is one of the most important rule of any Martial Arts.

    Belting is also a symbol of what status you have in Martial Arts. By this way, you know who are the seniors. Others, counted how many matches(not fights)you win or how do master the art in years and by practice.

    But what matters most is that we love martial arts as our way of life. Not just a sport or a discipline..
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