Comments on: Mass Attack! Is This Training Realistic? /mass-attack-is-this-training-realistic/ Reviews of common self-defense, karate, and MMA issues Mon, 14 May 2012 13:10:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jiu Jitsu Maniac /mass-attack-is-this-training-realistic/comment-page-1/#comment-7393 Jiu Jitsu Maniac Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:45:02 +0000 /?p=3235#comment-7393 I have often thought about a multiple on one scenario before and came to a similar conclusion. Run away until only one or two people are close enough to engage and try to take them out one at a time. It might be a different story if you have a bat or a baton. In the real world fights are so different than training. In college I did some Tae Kwon Do and had made it to green belt. One day I was with two female friends when three hoodlum girls attacked and mugged my friends. I kept running back and forth from one friend to the other pulling a hoodlum off and then going back to defend the other one. I should have just hit them but I was raised not to hit girls (even if they are mugging your friends). Moral of the story is... IT HAPPENS SO FAST. You don't have time to stop and think and come up with a strategy. Adrenaline and testosterone take over and your body just reacts. I don't remember actually making a single decision the entire time of the attack until they were gone. I have often thought about a multiple on one scenario before and came to a similar conclusion. Run away until only one or two people are close enough to engage and try to take them out one at a time. It might be a different story if you have a bat or a baton.

In the real world fights are so different than training. In college I did some Tae Kwon Do and had made it to green belt. One day I was with two female friends when three hoodlum girls attacked and mugged my friends. I kept running back and forth from one friend to the other pulling a hoodlum off and then going back to defend the other one. I should have just hit them but I was raised not to hit girls (even if they are mugging your friends). Moral of the story is… IT HAPPENS SO FAST. You don’t have time to stop and think and come up with a strategy. Adrenaline and testosterone take over and your body just reacts. I don’t remember actually making a single decision the entire time of the attack until they were gone.

]]> By: John W. Zimmer /mass-attack-is-this-training-realistic/comment-page-1/#comment-7106 John W. Zimmer Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:04:44 +0000 /?p=3235#comment-7106 Hi Jeff - I'm with you about evading and striking when you have a good opening. Unfortunately right now as an older martial artist - I have to lay waste to the first guy and be a little less mobile. Hopefully my wiser attitude will keep me out of most scraps. :) Hey Lori - love the new school website. I updated your link. And I'd at least like my back to the wall and a narrow opening if I had a choice. That way it would be just like fighting one at a time. Hi Jeff – I’m with you about evading and striking when you have a good opening. Unfortunately right now as an older martial artist – I have to lay waste to the first guy and be a little less mobile. Hopefully my wiser attitude will keep me out of most scraps. :)

Hey Lori – love the new school website. I updated your link. And I’d at least like my back to the wall and a narrow opening if I had a choice. That way it would be just like fighting one at a time.

]]> By: Lori (Vancouver Self-Defense/Martial Arts Instructor) /mass-attack-is-this-training-realistic/comment-page-1/#comment-7026 Lori (Vancouver Self-Defense/Martial Arts Instructor) Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:28:00 +0000 /?p=3235#comment-7026 I would have to agree with you. Standing in the centre of a group of attackers is hardly a sensible way to handle the situation from a self-defense point of view. I would have to agree with you. Standing in the centre of a group of attackers is hardly a sensible way to handle the situation from a self-defense point of view.

]]> By: Jeff /mass-attack-is-this-training-realistic/comment-page-1/#comment-7001 Jeff Mon, 23 Jan 2012 03:44:24 +0000 /?p=3235#comment-7001 I had seen this one video which is more believable because it involves running, placing some distance from the attackers then striking the attackers one at a time when they commit a mistake. I have develop some doubts in some martial arts teachings as well. I do believe they are powerful in one on one situation but not so in mass attacks. I had seen this one video which is more believable because it involves running, placing some distance from the attackers then striking the attackers one at a time when they commit a mistake. I have develop some doubts in some martial arts teachings as well. I do believe they are powerful in one on one situation but not so in mass attacks.
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]]> By: John W. Zimmer /mass-attack-is-this-training-realistic/comment-page-1/#comment-6997 John W. Zimmer Sun, 22 Jan 2012 08:14:36 +0000 /?p=3235#comment-6997 Well said Zara, I'm with you on the demolish strategy if one has the time. I once got a group of six guys to fight one at a time (for the first three) by saying, "Fight like a man! One at a time." Then it digressed from there. :) Hey Dr J! Somehow I think the canines count. :) I like your mantra. Well said Zara, I’m with you on the demolish strategy if one has the time. I once got a group of six guys to fight one at a time (for the first three) by saying, “Fight like a man! One at a time.” Then it digressed from there. :)

Hey Dr J! Somehow I think the canines count. :) I like your mantra.

]]> By: Dr. J /mass-attack-is-this-training-realistic/comment-page-1/#comment-6975 Dr. J Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:22:15 +0000 /?p=3235#comment-6975 I've never looked at the martial arts as any more than giving me a chance in a fight that I would not have had without the training. I have never faced multiple attackers in the real world other than that pack of pit bulls. I'm not so sure how you can practice for that, nor what I would do. With flying, I have drilled certain principles into my head as to how I would handle an emergency. When I was faced with one, I reacted immediately and survived it. Strike first, strike fast, strike hard is the mantra. I'd like to keep it a mantra. I’ve never looked at the martial arts as any more than giving me a chance in a fight that I would not have had without the training. I have never faced multiple attackers in the real world other than that pack of pit bulls. I’m not so sure how you can practice for that, nor what I would do. With flying, I have drilled certain principles into my head as to how I would handle an emergency. When I was faced with one, I reacted immediately and survived it. Strike first, strike fast, strike hard is the mantra. I’d like to keep it a mantra.
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]]> By: Zara /mass-attack-is-this-training-realistic/comment-page-1/#comment-6972 Zara Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:22:50 +0000 /?p=3235#comment-6972 I watched the video and can't say I'm impressed: I guess the guy's moves were technically correct but the performance was rather bad if this was actually meant to represent a fight against multiple opponents since he barely moved and spent way too much time on each opponent. While I've had the good fortune never to have been involved in such a dire situation I know the trick is to keep moving (if you stay in the middle you're as good as dead) and never hit the same guy more than twice. The object of such a fight is not to win (quasi impossible) but to survive: therefore you should hit and run, look for the exit and get away asap. The longer you stay in their distance the higher your chances of getting seriously injured or killed. If you really can't run away (if you have to protect someone who isn't that mobile or you're stuck in a back-ally with no way out) in my opinion you should attack first (preferably with a weapon if you can get your hands on one) and demolish the guy you're attacking, so savagely it'll put fear into the others: even if they don't back off it might give you a few seconds to move on to the next and fight your way out. What might work, especially if you know your locking, is to hit one guy, lock him up and use him as a shield against the others (preferably in a necklock) although this obviously takes alot of practice. In any way I truly hope I'll never have to find out whether or not I'm ready to face that kind of situation since the chances will be heavily weighed against you (like playing chess against several people at once). My to cents as usual. Zara I watched the video and can’t say I’m impressed: I guess the guy’s moves were technically correct but the performance was rather bad if this was actually meant to represent a fight against multiple opponents since he barely moved and spent way too much time on each opponent. While I’ve had the good fortune never to have been involved in such a dire situation I know the trick is to keep moving (if you stay in the middle you’re as good as dead) and never hit the same guy more than twice. The object of such a fight is not to win (quasi impossible) but to survive: therefore you should hit and run, look for the exit and get away asap. The longer you stay in their distance the higher your chances of getting seriously injured or killed. If you really can’t run away (if you have to protect someone who isn’t that mobile or you’re stuck in a back-ally with no way out) in my opinion you should attack first (preferably with a weapon if you can get your hands on one) and demolish the guy you’re attacking, so savagely it’ll put fear into the others: even if they don’t back off it might give you a few seconds to move on to the next and fight your way out. What might work, especially if you know your locking, is to hit one guy, lock him up and use him as a shield against the others (preferably in a necklock) although this obviously takes alot of practice.

In any way I truly hope I’ll never have to find out whether or not I’m ready to face that kind of situation since the chances will be heavily weighed against you (like playing chess against several people at once).

My to cents as usual.

Zara

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