Comments on: WCL Fighting League? Pesudo Karate on VS TV? /wcl-fighting-league-pesudo-karate-on-vs-tv/ Reviews of common self-defense, karate, and MMA issues Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:58:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: John W. Zimmer /wcl-fighting-league-pesudo-karate-on-vs-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-1787 John W. Zimmer Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:52:00 +0000 /?p=82#comment-1787 Hi Bugg, . First off, thank you for leaving a comment. I think we might not have any middle ground because the WCL matches I watched on TV and youtube seemed to favor sluggers as opposed to fighters. There does not seem to be any tactics at all. . For instance if a fighter wanted to hold back and pick his shots for greater advantage - he would be penalized. . About the only way your argument makes sense to me is if neither fighter has any tactics to fall back on, then, arguably the best slugger would win. . My comment I believe was by watching the WCL - one has no idea who the best fighter is. . The positives: 1. stamina - takes a lot of work to slug it out 2. it is full contact - you have to take a punch 3. you could get into good shape training and fighting this way 4. the ring looks cool to me 5. it does not appear to be fake fighting like the WWE . The negatives 1. its not fighting - meaning if they got into a real fight by any other rules - who knows which fighter is the best - you cannot tell from watching the WCL 2. no generally accepted fighting skills are used by combatants 3. striking areas are about as bad as PKA kick boxing used to be 4. the rules that force the fighters into engaging without retreat . I'm not a Jiu Jitsu stylist but that art is meant for fights that go to the ground. My guess is if the ground fighters like going to the ground - it is because they are more effective there. Me - I'm more of a striker and would go to the ground as a last resort. Not really sure how the ground game got into this discussion. . I guess I don't see the entertainment value because in my view the WCL is not real fighting. I don't think it is fake like WWE but I don't see the benefit of slugging it out every match rather then wining because of superior technique. . Sorry but I don't agree with your arguments Bugg. Hi Bugg,
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First off, thank you for leaving a comment. I think we might not have any middle ground because the WCL matches I watched on TV and youtube seemed to favor sluggers as opposed to fighters. There does not seem to be any tactics at all.
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For instance if a fighter wanted to hold back and pick his shots for greater advantage – he would be penalized.
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About the only way your argument makes sense to me is if neither fighter has any tactics to fall back on, then, arguably the best slugger would win.
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My comment I believe was by watching the WCL – one has no idea who the best fighter is.
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The positives:
1. stamina – takes a lot of work to slug it out
2. it is full contact – you have to take a punch
3. you could get into good shape training and fighting this way
4. the ring looks cool to me
5. it does not appear to be fake fighting like the WWE
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The negatives
1. its not fighting – meaning if they got into a real fight by any other rules – who knows which fighter is the best – you cannot tell from watching the WCL
2. no generally accepted fighting skills are used by combatants
3. striking areas are about as bad as PKA kick boxing used to be
4. the rules that force the fighters into engaging without retreat
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I’m not a Jiu Jitsu stylist but that art is meant for fights that go to the ground. My guess is if the ground fighters like going to the ground – it is because they are more effective there. Me – I’m more of a striker and would go to the ground as a last resort. Not really sure how the ground game got into this discussion.
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I guess I don’t see the entertainment value because in my view the WCL is not real fighting. I don’t think it is fake like WWE but I don’t see the benefit of slugging it out every match rather then wining because of superior technique.
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Sorry but I don’t agree with your arguments Bugg.

]]> By: Bugg /wcl-fighting-league-pesudo-karate-on-vs-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-1781 Bugg Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:59:17 +0000 /?p=82#comment-1781 I see where you are comming from really I do there is a lot of tools in the World Combat League (WCL for short) that may seem limiting to a spectator such as yourself. Such as No elbows, no kicking below the belt, no throws ect...... But one should understand this, The WCL wasn't ment for people with yellow belts in six styles and daddy issues to get in the ring roll on the ground and hug each other untill the rounds over. It is made for we trained well conditions "Martial Artist" (and I cant express that enough) to get in the ring and give it there all and blast on each other with technique timming and style to find out who is the better man on that day and try to help your team win in the process. Back to the original point the rules do limit the fighters but its full contact and fair the people competing are striking masters or at least experts and the rules are fair for all of them to meet on a middle ground in a sport enviroment. its not muay thai or kickboxing or karate its somwhere in the middle they all know the rules before they get in the ring and they all have to adjust from there core training yet they all can relly on the weapons they have been trainning for years. In conclusion I believe the WCL is great entertainment and its a step in the right direction for Martial Arts. I see where you are comming from really I do there is a lot of tools in the World Combat League (WCL for short) that may seem limiting to a spectator such as yourself. Such as No elbows, no kicking below the belt, no throws ect…… But one should understand this, The WCL wasn’t ment for people with yellow belts in six styles and daddy issues to get in the ring roll on the ground and hug each other untill the rounds over. It is made for we trained well conditions “Martial Artist” (and I cant express that enough) to get in the ring and give it there all and blast on each other with technique timming and style to find out who is the better man on that day and try to help your team win in the process.

Back to the original point the rules do limit the fighters but its full contact and fair the people competing are striking masters or at least experts and the rules are fair for all of them to meet on a middle ground in a sport enviroment. its not muay thai or kickboxing or karate its somwhere in the middle they all know the rules before they get in the ring and they all have to adjust from there core training yet they all can relly on the weapons they have been trainning for years. In conclusion I believe the WCL is great entertainment and its a step in the right direction for Martial Arts.

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